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Google AppEngine - A First Look

I haven't developed an AppEngine application yet, I'm just taking a look around their documentation and seeing what stands out for me. It's not the much speculated super cluster VM. AppEngine is solidly grounded in code and structure. It reminds me a little of the guy who ran a website out of S3 with a splash of Heroku thrown in as a chaser.

The idea is clearly to take advantage of our massive multi-core future by creating a shared nothing infrastructure based firmly on a core set of infinitely scalable database, storage and CPU services. Don't forget Google also has a few other services to leverage: email, login, blogs, video, search, ads, metrics, and apps. A shared nothing request is a simple beast. By its very nature shared nothing architectures must be composed of services which are themselves already scalable and Google is signing up to supply that scalable infrastructure. Google has been busy creating a platform of out-of-the-box scalable services to build on. Now they have their scripting engine to bind it all together.

Everything that could have tied you to a machine is tossed. No disk access, no threads, no sockets, no root, no system calls, no nothing but service based access. Services are king because they are easily made scalable by load balancing and other tricks of the trade that are easily turned behind the scenes, without any application awareness or involvement.

Using the CGI interface was not a mistake. CGI is the perfect metaphor for our brave new app container world: get a request, process the request, die, repeat. Using AppEngine you have no choice but to write an app that can be splayed across a pointy well sharpened CPU grid. CGI was devalued because a new process had to be started for every request. It was too slow, too resource intensive. Ironic that in the cloud that's exactly what you want because that's exactly how you cause yourself fewer problems and buy yourself more flexibility.

The model is pure abstraction. The implementation is pure pragmatism. Your application exists in the cloud and is in no way tied to any single machine or cluster of machines. CPUs run parallel through your application like a swarm of busy bees while wizards safely hidden in a pocket of space-time can bend reality as much as they desire without the muggles taking notice. Yet the abstraction is implemented in a very specific dynamic language that they already have experience with and have confidence they can make work. It's a pretty smart approach. No surprise I guess.

One might ask: is LAMP dead? Certainly not in the way Microsoft was hoping. AppEngine is so much easier to use than the AWS environment of EC2, S3, SQS, and SDB. Creating an app in AWS takes real expertise. That's why I made the comparison of AppEngine to Heroku. Heroku is a load and go approach for RoR whereas AppEngine uses Python. You basically make a Python app using services and it scales. Simple. So simple you can't do much beyond making a web app. Nobody is going to make a super scalable transcoding service out of AppEngine. You simply can't load the needed software because you don't have your own servers. This is where Amazon wins big. But AppEngine does hit a sweet spot in the market: website builders who might have previously went with LAMP.

What isn't scalable about AppEngine is the scalability of the complexity of the applications you can build. It's a simple request response system. I didn't notice a cron service, for example. Since you can't write your own services a cron service would give you an opportunity to get a little CPU time of your own to do work. To extend this notion a bit what I would like to see as an event driven state machine service that could drive web services. If email needs to be sent every hour, for example, who will invoke your service every hour so you can get the CPU to send the email? If you have a long running seven step asynchronous event driven algorithm to follow, how will you get the CPU to implement the steps? This may be Google's intent. Or somewhere in the development cycle we may get more features of this sort. But for now it's a serious weakness.

Here's are a quick tour of a few interesting points. Please note I'm copying large chunks of their documentation in this post as that seems the quickest way to the finish line...

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Google AppEngine - A Second Look

Update: Here are a few experience reports of developers using GAE. Diwaker Gupta likes how easy it is to get started on the good documentation. Doesn't like all the limits and poor performance. James here and here also likes the ease of use but finds the data model takes some getting used to and is concerned the API limits won't scale for a real site. He doesn't like how external connections are handled and wants a database where the schema is easier to manage. These posts mirror some of my own concerns. GAE is scalable for Google, but it may not be scalable for my application.

It's been a few days now since GAE (Google App Engine) was released and we had our First Look. It's high time for a retrospective. Too soon? Hey, this is Internet time baby. So how is GAE doing? I did get an invite so hopefully I'll have a more experience grounded take a little later. I don't know Python and being the more methodical type it may take me a while. To perform our retrospective we'll take a look at the three sources of information available to us: actual applications in the AppGallery, blogspew, and developer issues in the forum.

The result: a cautious thumbs up. The biggest issue so far seems to be the change in mindset needed by developers to use GAE. BigTable is not MySQL. The runtime environment is not a VM. A service based approach is not the same as using libraries. A scalable architecture is not the same as one based on optimizing speed. A different approach is needed, but as of yet Google doesn't give you all the tools you need to fully embrace the red pill vision.

I think this quote by Brandon Smith in a thread on how to best implement sessions in GAE nicely sums up the new perspective:

Consider the lack of your daddy's sessions a feature. It's what will make your app scale on Google's infrastructure. 

In other words: when in Rome. But how do we know what the Romans do when the Romans do what they do?

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Google Architecture

Update: Greg Linden points to a new Google article MapReduce: simplified data processing on large clusters. Some interesting stats: 100k MapReduce jobs are executed each day; more than 20 petabytes of data are processed per day; more than 10k MapReduce programs have been implemented; machines are dual processor with gigabit ethernet and 4-8 GB of memory.

Google is the King of scalability. Everyone knows Google for their large, sophisticated, and fast searching, but they don't just shine in search. Their platform approach to building scalable applications allows them to roll out internet scale applications at an alarmingly high competition crushing rate. Their goal is always to build a higher performing higher scaling infrastructure to support their products. How do they do that?

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Lessons from Pownce - The Early Years

Pownce is a new social messaging application competing micromessage to micromessage with the likes of Twitter and Jaiku. Still in closed beta, Pownce has generously shared some of what they've learned so far. Like going to a barrel tasting of a young wine and then tasting the same wine after some aging, I think what will be really interesting is to follow Pownce and compare the Pownce of today with the Pownce of tomorrow, after a few years spent in the barrel. What lessons lie in wait for Pownce as they grow?

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YouTube Architecture

Update: YouTube: The Platform. YouTube adds a new rich set of APIs in order to become your video platform leader--all for free. Upload, edit, watch, search, and comment on video from your own site without visiting YouTube. Compose your site internally from APIs because you'll need to expose them later anyway.

YouTube grew incredibly fast, to over 100 million video views per day, with only a handful of people responsible for scaling the site. How did they manage to deliver all that video to all those users? And how have they evolved since being acquired by Google?